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Wednesday, April 4, 2007

Target at the Mall . . .

Another Target – at the Mall?

Have they lost their minds?

I’ve been a little surprised at the visceral reaction as news spreads that Macerich, the company that owns the mall, has leased the old Robinson’s-May store to Target, which already has a store less than a mile away.

I understand the disappointment. How will a second Target improve the fortunes of the mall? Especially when I hear more and more complaints that the mall is less and less attractive as a shopping destination.

I also understand the frustration that residents have as they pass the long-vacant north end of the mall. Why no Nordstrom’s? Why no COSTCO? Why no Fry’s?

But as one who follows retail trends very closely, I wasn’t surprised at Macerich’s decision – or Target’s for that matter.

Retail competition across the nation is brutal – and our area is no different. In the absence of rapid housing growth, chain stores are slugging it out to hang on to their share of the market – even if it takes opening a second store down the street from an existing one. Target, which currently has 1500 stores in the United States, is pushing to add 500 more during the next five years.

Today’s consumers have endless choices within an easy drive – or with a couple of clicks, they can have merchandise arrive at their doors. Since shoppers are in the driver’s seat (literally and figuratively), we are increasingly demanding value (low prices) AND experience (fun, service and variety.)

Target has done relatively well in this demanding environment because they have done as good a job as anyone in combining the two. With their single-minded focus on value, Walmart has grown into the world’s largest corporation, but neither their investors nor shoppers are satisfied with their performance in other areas. All the mainstream department stores have tanked except Macy's because they offer a mediocre experience and little value. At the high end, stores like Nordstroms excel at offering a pleasant experience, but the difference in merchandise quality doesn’t justify the sky-high prices to the vast majority of shoppers.

Of course, brilliant city leaders have access to all sorts of magic tools to influence the marketplace right? Zoning laws, tax subsidies, fast-track permitting and good old fashioned salesmanship! Why settle for a Target? Why didn’t we go out and snag a (you fill in the blank with the store of your choice.)

It’s a fair question for any city in California, nearly thirty years after Proposition 13. City governments no longer succeed just by making sure the streets are patrolled, paved and swept. Now we are measured on how successful we are at hustling in the cut-throat world of shopping centers and auto malls.

And by that score, Ventura has done rather well. In fact, in per capita retail sales we outperform eight of the other nine cities in our county. The only city that does better is Thousand Oaks, with a household median income 50% higher than us.

Realistically, however, everyone else is out hustling to knock us down a peg. So we can hardly rest on our laurels. And I’d be the first to admit that another Target is not going to give us an edge.

We are focusing on three priorities. First, we have reached agreement with Macerich to work together on a redo of the north end of the mall. Just adding a couple of stores isn’t enough. We need to reposition the mall as a thriving shopping district for the next twenty years. Let’s face it, malls aren’t a fresh concept into the every-changing retail world. The latest trend is lifestyle centers. A recent Star column by neighbor Katherine Warner is on target – today’s shoppers are increasingly drawn to a mix of uses that offers more variety and convenience. That’s the General Plan vision for the area. By integrating new retailers into a north end master plan, we can strengthen the mall in the short run – and for the long haul.

Second, we are working with adjoining landowners on extending Olivas Park Drive to open up the land behind the auto mall for additional dealers – and regional retailers that aren’t in our market, like IKEA and Bass Pro. No deals have been signed, but there is enough interest that we are fast-tracking the long-planned extension of that key freeway connection now that construction on the Santa Clara river bridge is winding down.

Third, with the recent adoption of the Downtown Specific Plan, we will be working with Caltrans and others on bridging over the 101 Freeway at California Street. By linking our Downtown directly to the beach, we open up the opportunity to redevelop the aging parking structure and put a unique destination in a fabulous location next to the pier.

Of course, other opportunities and challenges will open up and we will need to respond to them. But these three priorities are our best bets to not only stay competitive in the retail arena – but also ensure that Ventura residents have a range of shopping alternatives close to home.

21 Comments:

Anonymous Rellis Smith said...

As far as placing a Target at the Pacific View Mall, I honestly think that the "New" Target concept is just fine for the city of Ventura. As far as covering the freeway at California Street and moving the offramp to Oak street that idea was first promoted by Mr Doug Halter, his idea however was even better. Cover over the freeway from SanJon to Oak and use the resulting "new" property for shops, restuarants, etc. I asked the city clerks office recently if the city had any plans to move the California offramp to Oak street and was given a resounding "NO". Maybe everybody in the Ivory Tower should be working from the same page.
Rellis Smith
res@venturastuff.com

April 10, 2007 9:10:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The secret is that Venturans shop at the Thousand Oaks Mall and Oxnardians shop at Pacific View. The new Target only increases that mix. The City's official reaction to Wal-Mart replacing the existing K-Mart on Victoria coupled with the concept of narrowing same without planning any additional connectors between the 101 and the Santa Paula Freeway is head-in-the-sand thinking. Dedication to the removal of illegal signage would be the most cost effective method of re-imaging the city. Treat the Montalvo train station [ already paid for by Metrorail ] like it was a Ventura train station. Instead of spending city money on a cop to lecture bar owners [ the ABC can do that ] have the cop visit schools and teach lids how to protect themselves - something useful. Make the city school management start re-painting the unpainted backboards and unsightly campuses. Re-engineer the two ungodly intersections where California meets the 101 - the worst in the state. Call UP and buy ten cans of grey spray paint and clean the graffiti off the UP bridge over the freeway. PLEASE re-locate the horrible out-of-scale "sculpture" at the bus turnaround and re-plant it out in some field - like the middle of that $10,000,000.00 park on the way to Santa Paula. That thing has no place for bus drivers to relieve themselves nor protect people when it's raining. Someone should be p[roperly addressing the mix of new stores downtown [ if you're using the term "lifestyle center" ] - a string of bars will not work in the long run. Downtown retail establishments should have sides facing alleys as well as streets designed as "storefronts" as a more effective way to increase volume.

April 12, 2007 11:53:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is a "sports bar" next to the Black Angus which was never approved as to exterior colors, signage, paper signage etc. - Code Enforcement does nothing about it.

There is a new "Big Swing" golfer at the entrance to the new 10,000,000.00 course remodel. At the stone base of the sculpture there is a sign which names the facility, but it is illegible because the letters are exactly the same color as the stone upon which they are mounted. This is something beyond stupid. You cannot make this stuff up.

All city parking lots around town were equipped with Rainbird watering systems in their surrounding "landscaped" strips- remnants of them are in each location. Nothing grows in any of these strips because portions have been pulled out and, at lesat in the last 5 years, nothing has been done to enhance the situation.

April 13, 2007 1:22:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Macerich has allowed Santa Monica Place to lose market share for no other reason than they keep raising rents extraordinarily. I don't know about at Pacific View. Pacific View desperately needs a new tenant on its corner as does Lowe's. Its highest element - which looks like an incomplete castle, needs detailing - eithet with plants, vines or something.

Main Street between Seaward and Pacific View Mall looks like a visually disjointed stretch in dire need of some color coordination - the long strip of backyard fences facing it from Smart and Final to Barber Ford is ugly beyond belief.

When they put the landscaping in the center of Main in that same area, could they not have buried the wires - they are strung like so many clothes lines above the street. It is not any more costly to bury them.

April 13, 2007 1:32:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "lifestyle center" which Oxnard plans to emulate is near San Bernardino. I drove out and looked at it. It is nothing more than if you took the downtown of Ventura, got a mix of the better stores chains around and plugged them in with some good design, street amenities and parking structures nearby - not brain surgery. the city needs a plan to help private owners work toward a common store mix model for the entire downtown/Avenues area - porfessional marketing with the private retail sector sharing inn the improvements

April 13, 2007 11:50:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another element to the retail mix for Ventura is the Camarillo outlet factor, where the world's most sophisticated retailers ply their trade just down the road. Even Renovation Hardware has an outlet store there. Pacific View needs to re-invent its overall retail mix as does the City. The City needs to be a little more sophisticated about setting up mixes of suggested retail store combination types in various "neighborhoods". The strip mall which inclusdes Ralphs on teh east end really needs help. Wells Road is a major accident waiting to happen unless that street and its increasing congestion gets addressed. You want an example of a residential retail mix ? - visit Larchmont Ave. in L.A.

April 14, 2007 7:14:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next to the proposed Target at Pacific View is a multilevel parking structure with an existing connecting bridge from the upper level of the store. Target wants to block it off and have all connection with the parking structure from its first level. Why ? This is only going to make what is an existing 20' wide walkway/roadway extremely overloaded with pedestrians crossing it to the structure.

April 14, 2007 3:29:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. A suggestion for new Target Store - even though certain exterior elements may have been approved, City Council can make Target do a more up-graded version of the store Target wants to do - City Council has final sayso - that way it can be made to look a lot more interesting on the exterior and City Council can make them utilize the connector to the parking structure. Target has some very nice stores when they choose to.

April 15, 2007 3:36:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off thank you for this blog site, some of us don't have time to come and address the "Real" issues in Ventura at the city meetings since it seems all of the most important discussions come after midnight to ensure the community is not around to voice our opinions. Another Target?? Ventura has a mall we frequent...it is up in Thousand Oaks...the Ventura mall is home to the Oxnard community. Why not keep the current mall as is, since it is obviously doing well on its current clientel and extend it up to the busstop as an outdoor mall. Possibly even a movie theatre give the people in midtown something to "Walk to go do". Let's give the community something to want to stay in Ventura, to shop and for entertainment.

April 16, 2007 8:22:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recently the existing Target removed the 20 or so 40' containers which permanently inhabited its rear parking lot. Maybe that's why they are seeking news digs with a larger footprint.

April 18, 2007 11:11:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great new "Ventura" sign at the N/B Calif. St. offramp.

April 18, 2007 11:13:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not all Venturans want characterless "category-killer" sprawlmarts at the top of the mall.
We can visit Rose Avenue in Oxnard for that kind of ambience.

How about a new rule of thumb:
if it's not good enough for Downtown Ventura, it's not good enough for Midtown Ventura?!

April 19, 2007 10:12:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Target is capable of unique design when they choose.Witness the following:
1. They used a three-masted clipper ship completely covered with holiday lighting to travel around New York Harbor during the Christmas season.
2. They have their own line of Michael Graves-designed [ well-known architect ] kitchen accoutriments
3. Their TV adds are particularly well-done.
4. So they should be able to do a
worthy store design.

April 21, 2007 9:02:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the idea of covering the freeway and opening up the beach to Ventura! Promote the person who thought of that idea! There is one asset that the city has neglected for far to long, the beach! We love to live here because of the beach, people want to visit here because of the beach, make it a destination and not an afterthought!

Target at the mall? Sad. I think Target is the on the high end of the retail market in Ventura. The city needs to spend less time trying to attract stores and spend more time enforcing laws.

If the City of Ventura, got serious about commercial blight, and started enforcing current laws, zoning, signage, parking, ect. You would see the attractiveness of the storefronts increase. This will bring more shoppers, if the business don't comply they get fined until they change or leave. Santa Barbara used this tactic and State Street improved drastically.

Spend that income on upgrading the beach access. More people will visit, better shops will want to move in, then you might see the likes of Nordstrom's at the Pacific View mall.

We are Bakersfield by the beach, to change that the City needs to focus on the basics first, Code enforcement, Police and Fire. Business's will change if you hit the pocket book.

P.S. the new sign on C Street is Great!!! More of that!!!

April 21, 2007 7:22:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's a sign JUST SOUTH of the Ventura City line on the 101 saying: WHOLE FOODS - OPENING SOON

April 23, 2007 4:37:00 PM PDT  
Blogger mrsnak said...

We are concerned about the proposed Pacific View Mall development.
Living adjacent to the mall, and having to frequently drive Mills, we have noticed significant increased traffic in the 4 years we have been homeowners here.
A traffic study done 12 years ago should not even be considered for impact to the area.
We also have issue with the quality of stores that are currently being considered.
Are developers that beholden to any big-box with deep pockets that comes along? A new Target when one is just a few blocks away?
Our mall already has enough generic mall tenants, besides the ever prolific phone stores and coffee chains.
I hope that the city thinks this through in a way that will provide real benefit and enhance our city's personality.
We'd like to think that more mixed-use small stores would do this the best.
Please help continue our city's unique flavor,and not destroy it.

May 8, 2007 11:41:00 AM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When one drives to the top level of the parking structure next to the proposed Target at Pacific View, one is struck by the EXISTING entrance to said proposed Target from that top level - but Target REFUSES to allow its use into their proposed store. WHY ? There is a mounting flow problem which will be exacerbated when Target opens. This is a totally unnecessary bottleneck.

May 14, 2007 8:26:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the north end of the Pacific View Mall is free'd up - ie, remove the unsightly " sculpture ", relocate the bus turnaround and bring the entire block all the way up to the north end of the block as a retail mixed use situation, you then have something.

June 6, 2007 11:31:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We do not need Costco, or Fry's or any other big box stores. WE NEED A MARKET. The Von's Pavillions was beautifully designed, with pharmacy, cleaners, restaurants, etc. The neighborhood was behind it! Remember, the mall is adjacent to a neighborhood. A movie theatre will bring noise, noisy cruising (which we already live with). We need food - please build a MARKET! The old mix of Thrifty, Vons, a bakery, a bank, etc. was very useful and well utilized by the neighborhood. Even the Barker Brothers furntiture story satisfied a need. You are trying to re-event a wheel that worked.

June 22, 2007 10:49:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous high-income Ventura resident said...

First of all, the LAST thing Ventura needs is another Vons. Vons monopolizes this town. And it's a sub-par supermarket. How about Tesco? Second, Ventura obviously does NOT need 2 Targets within 2 miles. It's sad that some Venturans believe they live in "Bakersfield by the Sea." I like to think we're so much better than some dumpy community like that. We have great potential for commercial development but we don't have the right ideas and the right people to implement them. And by the way, when Ventura residents want to shop at a mall, they go to Santa Barbara's Paseo Nuevo! Or to Topanga Plaza! As far as the hideous eyesore of a "sculpture" that stands at the bus turnaround, recycle it into something useful and worthwhile! It's ugly, plain and simple. Ventura should look to the Simi Valley Town Center, the Irvine Spectrum, The Grove, and Century City, etc. as examples of great "retailtainment" centers, as this is the current trend in the retail sector. The days of the boring, limited indoor mall are over. In order to thrive, PVM needs new to appeal to a broader spectrum of customers, not just to the Spanish-speaking community.

October 6, 2007 5:32:00 PM PDT  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Ventura really NEEDS is a second Trader Joe's. When will that be happening?

March 5, 2008 12:03:00 PM PST  

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